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The Mighty BC-304
« on: July 19, 2018, 12:49:11 PM »

 There has been for as long as I've been on Stargate related forums, discussions, fan sites et al, a debate which is still ongoing today, just how big is the Daedalus class ships.

 I've seen it all, every argument but for some reason I am sticking to the 'believed' canon that is stated on most Stargate wiki pages as the ship being

Length    

200-225 meters
Width    

90-95 meters
Height/depth    

70-75 meters

 So, lets hear your version and why you think the size differs  :sam59 :sam37

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Re: The Mighty BC-304
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2018, 01:27:33 PM »

I don't think that scale is unreasonable, and it's been the only one I've ever seen. You can't go any smaller or else it wouldn't work and any bigger and it becomes extremely undergunned and incapable for a ship its size.

Scale means everything, and you can't go comparing to other franchises or else you'll trip up. For example, the Imperial Star Destroyer is 1600m long, but it also has a lot going on. You can't then go "Oh, well the -304 is 1601m long so it can beat up a Star Destroyer" in some fan chest thumping nonsense. Sorry, it doesn't work like that.
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Re: The Mighty BC-304
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2018, 05:03:23 PM »

 So very true. It always annoys me when people start creating monster ships without even thinking about it. Size means mass, mass means weight and once you start making things that are virtual asteroid or mini planet size you run into all kinds of problems. A space ship is effectively an empty vessel with a rigid structure within holding it all together. Much different to a body of rock which is solid. When you are in space, even though there is zero gravity, super large objects by there sheer size will create their own artificial gravity, thereby applying a force onto their outer structure. Without a solid core they could collapse.
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Re: The Mighty BC-304
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2018, 07:42:47 PM »

Despite it being a small ship those Asgard beams sure are quite powerful.
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Re: The Mighty BC-304
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2018, 10:13:25 PM »

Don't know where the folks on the Wiki got their specs from, but aside from the hero ships I don't know where we get specs for most Trek ships.

Comparing the size to other known vessels. It is smaller than the Nimitz class carriers of the US Navy.

I know the folks at Trekyards put the ship at a larger size based upon other objects of a known size.

The given specs seem small, but when I compare it to carriers it's a bit more believable.

Maybe we just expect our starships to be bigger.
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Re: The Mighty BC-304
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2018, 09:13:08 AM »

Given that the CVN's are around as quoted 330m and have a compliment of 5,000+ I do think that 225m length is quite feasible for the 304's. They do only carry 16 aircraft and a very much smaller crew, so it makes sense to me.
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Re: The Mighty BC-304
« Reply #6 on: June 19, 2019, 06:57:35 AM »

 Dusting off old thread:

 I was witnessing a very heated argument on another site the other day on this topic. It surrounded the comparative sizes between the 303 and 304. The Prometheus is being quoted on every Wiki and data base as:


Length
195 meters
Width
80 meters
Height/Depth
65 meters

 Now the debate centers around putting the two side by side (in theory) and the amusing thing is so many of these 'experts' all of whom seem to come from the digital modeling side of things are claiming the 304 is almost 2.5 times bigger than the 303 making it much closer to 4-500 meters long. So doing a little digging I found this very old thread and I had to laugh as my Dad posted here :D

https://forum.gateworld.net/threads/68914-Stargate-Ship-Sizes
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Re: The Mighty BC-304
« Reply #7 on: June 19, 2019, 07:42:03 AM »

To play devils advocate. The scale was always a little... funny. As with the placement of the bridge, it followed the rule of cool, what looked cool for the shot. As no scale was given. (And as stated in the Gateworld Thread, the Collectors Magazine has been wrong far to often to be reliable.) Really the best scales to follow would be ones based on the size of F-302's
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Re: The Mighty BC-304
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2019, 07:26:56 AM »

This story intrigued me to the extent I asked hubby if he might possibly go over his figures once again, and while true he did that first exercise some ten years or so ago, doing it again proved no different this time around. The best figure he came up with in scaling using known entities that could be seen was again somewhere around 285-290 meters long for the 304. So I think a ballpark figure could accurately be stated as perhaps 300 meters. Of course this will make the height and width larger.
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